Comments on: Rob Toth TeleSeminar: Annoy Your Buyers? http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/ Affiliate, Entrepreneur, Traveler, Pimp Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Juan Burton http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4397 Juan Burton Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:47:05 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4397 >> LOL << Maybe that Rob in Texas is a poser, He ripped me off and take my money. Then later told me he was in Nigeria from this strange myspace page. Its interesting how some scammer try to fooled me and created a replica site 14 months ago So old post, lol BTW i just went to the offical site today.. and very impressive. "How I Made Over $3,000 in Only 7 Days with a Simple 30-Page Report" "There are hundreds of "gurus" online who want to sell you products for $297, $497, $997 or more that they claim will show you how you can earn a living online. Don't buy them." Great stuff, im looking into it. 7dollarsecrets.com =] >> LOL <<

Maybe that Rob in Texas is a poser, He ripped me off and take my money. Then later told me he was in Nigeria from this strange myspace page. Its interesting how some scammer try to fooled me and created a replica site 14 months ago

So old post, lol

BTW i just went to the offical site today..

and very impressive.

“How I Made Over $3,000 in Only 7 Days with a Simple 30-Page Report”

“There are hundreds of “gurus” online who want to sell you products for $297, $497, $997 or more that they claim will show you how you can earn a living online. Don’t buy them.”

Great stuff, im looking into it.

7dollarsecrets.com

=]

]]> By: Ian http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4396 Ian Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:35:29 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4396 > Rob thanks! its just getting better! > Rob
thanks! its just getting better!

]]> By: Rob Toth http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4395 Rob Toth Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:24:34 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4395 @Internet Marketing Tips >> @Juan Burton, LOL. I was like “what, Rob did a seminar and didn’t tell me about it!” You might want to aim a little better before you shoot. Rob’s a standup guy and has a lot of good information to offer. Thank you! @Jaun >> P.S. That siminar SHUT Rob DOWN. I think you're still grasping onto the wrong Rob Toth. I promise you, there's more than one of us out there. It's unfortunate that someone out there with a really great name is a terrible speaker/marketer or whatever you attended... but I'll clarify maybe just this one last time... as of today, I've *attended* one seminar in the IM niche and it was in 2008. In 2005, I didn't even have an internet marketing related webpage live. And I've never held a seminar (my first is in March 09) ... though, that being said, I invite you to drop into our upcoming Canada Marketing Summit in March 2009 and you'll be able to guage whether I really am full of crap. >> LOL ROB is horrible guy, I went to his siminar in Texas on day in 2005 and i left in 1 hour of hearing his boring talks about this and that Oh... and I've never been to Texas either. Though I do look forward to visiting it one day as I have a lot of friends down there. ;-) Ian! Great blog... I've seen this property of yours developing over the past year quite nicely. @Internet Marketing Tips
>> @Juan Burton, LOL. I was like “what, Rob did a seminar and didn’t tell me about it!” You might want to aim a little better before you shoot. Rob’s a standup guy and has a lot of good information to offer.

Thank you!

@Jaun
>> P.S. That siminar SHUT Rob DOWN.

I think you’re still grasping onto the wrong Rob Toth. I promise you, there’s more than one of us out there.

It’s unfortunate that someone out there with a really great name is a terrible speaker/marketer or whatever you attended… but I’ll clarify maybe just this one last time… as of today, I’ve *attended* one seminar in the IM niche and it was in 2008. In 2005, I didn’t even have an internet marketing related webpage live. And I’ve never held a seminar (my first is in March 09) … though, that being said, I invite you to drop into our upcoming Canada Marketing Summit in March 2009 and you’ll be able to guage whether I really am full of crap.

>> LOL ROB is horrible guy, I went to his siminar in Texas on day in 2005 and i left in 1 hour of hearing his boring talks about this and that

Oh… and I’ve never been to Texas either. Though I do look forward to visiting it one day as I have a lot of friends down there. ;-)

Ian! Great blog… I’ve seen this property of yours developing over the past year quite nicely.

]]> By: Rob Toth http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4394 Rob Toth Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:19:34 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-4394 This discussion is somewhat akin to whether a salesletter is too long and boring or not. Give an un-targetted prospect a long salesletter, and it's certainly long, boring and annoying. Give a highly targetted prospect the same letter and it's likely compelling, educational and engaging. "Fear of loss" really can't be argued seeing as it's a human psychology not just neat little trick someone just thought up and it's ages old. If anyone reads Buy Now Report (or similar literature), they'll know that limited time offers, limited quantity offers etc are terribly effective for the highly targetted prospect. For the un-targetted un-qualified prospect, they are hyped up and lame (ie: annoying). So as @InternetMarketingTips was suggesting... who are you really "annoying"? The proof is also somewhat in the numbers. It's fair to say that if everyone was anti- fear of loss, then your sales and optin rates would plummet on pages you used them on, right? BuyNowReport.com peaked at 74.4% optin and enjoyed 60%+ optin conversion for a long time (this gets watered down with more affiliates coming on board using mass broadcast promo strategies). And the use of the software for my own promotions is what created all this in the first place... just a social proof counter (reversing the inventory counter) can be used in incredibly powerful ways. great discussion though. This discussion is somewhat akin to whether a salesletter is too long and boring or not. Give an un-targetted prospect a long salesletter, and it’s certainly long, boring and annoying. Give a highly targetted prospect the same letter and it’s likely compelling, educational and engaging.

“Fear of loss” really can’t be argued seeing as it’s a human psychology not just neat little trick someone just thought up and it’s ages old. If anyone reads Buy Now Report (or similar literature), they’ll know that limited time offers, limited quantity offers etc are terribly effective for the highly targetted prospect. For the un-targetted un-qualified prospect, they are hyped up and lame (ie: annoying).

So as @InternetMarketingTips was suggesting… who are you really “annoying”? The proof is also somewhat in the numbers. It’s fair to say that if everyone was anti- fear of loss, then your sales and optin rates would plummet on pages you used them on, right? BuyNowReport.com peaked at 74.4% optin and enjoyed 60%+ optin conversion for a long time (this gets watered down with more affiliates coming on board using mass broadcast promo strategies). And the use of the software for my own promotions is what created all this in the first place… just a social proof counter (reversing the inventory counter) can be used in incredibly powerful ways.

great discussion though.

]]> By: Ian http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2302 Ian Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:09:52 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2302 > Juan these products, worthless? I don't think it is worthless - since they do work. Scaring the potential customer away, depends on the playing field I say. These ideas are old and are strategic and they do work, they do convert. Like i stated I have used them and it has worked, especially pre release on products and websites. > Simon great idea, just wish I have the time to do a case study or create a product similar > Internet Marketing Tips that is true time is money and researching does take a toll on time, especially if time can be used more beneficial. > Juan
these products, worthless? I don’t think it is worthless – since they do work. Scaring the potential customer away, depends on the playing field I say. These ideas are old and are strategic and they do work, they do convert. Like i stated I have used them and it has worked, especially pre release on products and websites.

> Simon
great idea, just wish I have the time to do a case study or create a product similar

> Internet Marketing Tips
that is true time is money and researching does take a toll on time, especially if time can be used more beneficial.

]]> By: InternetMarketingTips http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2301 InternetMarketingTips Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:59:46 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2301 That's a great idea Simon. It would be very compelling. Doug That’s a great idea Simon.
It would be very compelling.

Doug

]]> By: Simon http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2300 Simon Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:16:35 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2300 I mentioned to Ian the other day that I thought it would make a good blog article / case study if he tried to replicate a package like BNW for free - ie. by spending the time searching for scripts that are similar to what is in the package (maybe calling in on a couple of people to look over anything that wasn't quite working correctly *wink wink*). Then look at the cost of the package vs the time / hassle spent putting a free one together, and documenting it for the masses. And then of course, if a good quality package was put together, it could be sold for an appropriate sum, making it win-win all round! It's something I'd like to have done, but time doesn't really allow for it right now. I mentioned to Ian the other day that I thought it would make a good blog article / case study if he tried to replicate a package like BNW for free – ie. by spending the time searching for scripts that are similar to what is in the package (maybe calling in on a couple of people to look over anything that wasn’t quite working correctly *wink wink*).

Then look at the cost of the package vs the time / hassle spent putting a free one together, and documenting it for the masses. And then of course, if a good quality package was put together, it could be sold for an appropriate sum, making it win-win all round!

It’s something I’d like to have done, but time doesn’t really allow for it right now.

]]> By: Mori http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2299 Mori Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:31:35 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2299 Thanks for the responses, both very helpful. Thanks for the responses, both very helpful.

]]> By: Don Morris http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2298 Don Morris Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:13:16 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2298 @Mori: I see the benefit in the package concept. You don't have to pull together perhaps eight separate scripts to get the eight different features in BNW (or similar product). You don't have to worry that those individual scripts will have variable collisions and won't "play nice" together. Also, paid software is often (although not always) better supported. That includes customer support and continuing (upgrade) support. Finally -- and I mentioned this earlier -- the combination of the package and support benefits means (in this case) that the product _looks_ good. That is, to me, a big selling point. BNW is classy. Many free scripts just don't have the polish that this product has. By using BNW, I know that my site says to the user, "this site owner takes pride in his work." @Mori: I see the benefit in the package concept. You don’t have to pull together perhaps eight separate scripts to get the eight different features in BNW (or similar product). You don’t have to worry that those individual scripts will have variable collisions and won’t “play nice” together.

Also, paid software is often (although not always) better supported. That includes customer support and continuing (upgrade) support.

Finally — and I mentioned this earlier — the combination of the package and support benefits means (in this case) that the product _looks_ good. That is, to me, a big selling point. BNW is classy. Many free scripts just don’t have the polish that this product has. By using BNW, I know that my site says to the user, “this site owner takes pride in his work.”

]]> By: Juan Burton http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2297 Juan Burton Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:44:12 +0000 http://www.ianfernando.com/2007/rob-toth-teleseminar-annoy-your-buyers/#comment-2297 Internet Marketing Tips, "We Are Some of the World’s BIGGEST Spiritual WEIGHT LOSERS and You Should Be Too! Now You Can Finally Look Like Superman or Superwoman …Without Having To Go To The Gym!" "We" is not "ME" or "I", "WE" is an entire community of inspirational members of our health and fitness programs. We are not the world's biggest nor largest, but one of them. Not made into a superman, but LOOKING like superman. Our course teaches inspired individuals how to exercise and use their envoirnment to get in shape, tone, or whatever their goal may require. It is never stated that our course requires no exercise at all. You do not have to go to a gym to exercise, its all natural and simple. The way you put it, make me think if anyone is going to have a great fit body is sounds very dangerous. lol ;-) But sure some headliners may get annoying after a while, just know how to use and imply them. Think of more out-of-the-box and inovative ways of using them. Hype is one thing and true is another. Best Wishes! Juan Internet Marketing Tips,

“We Are Some of the World’s BIGGEST Spiritual WEIGHT LOSERS and You Should Be Too! Now You Can Finally Look Like Superman or Superwoman …Without Having To Go To The Gym!”

“We” is not “ME” or “I”, “WE” is an entire community of inspirational members of our health and fitness programs. We are not the world’s biggest nor largest, but one of them.

Not made into a superman, but LOOKING like superman.
Our course teaches inspired individuals how to exercise and use their envoirnment to get in shape, tone, or whatever their goal may require.

It is never stated that our course requires no exercise at all. You do not have to go to a gym to exercise, its all natural and simple. The way you put it, make me think if anyone is going to have a great fit body is sounds very dangerous. lol ;-)

But sure some headliners may get annoying after a while, just know how to use and imply them. Think of more out-of-the-box and inovative ways of using them.

Hype is one thing and true is another.

Best Wishes!
Juan

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